tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post5819535356898763897..comments2023-09-08T07:50:02.120-04:00Comments on Agile & Business: Scrum and Release PlanningJoe Littlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13413810050491070483noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-21683234937957955862011-03-12T17:20:16.731-05:002011-03-12T17:20:16.731-05:00Hi Ernest,
Yes, history is important.
Yes, many...Hi Ernest,<br /><br />Yes, history is important. <br /><br />Yes, many other good discussions. Hope to be back soon myself. And maybe meet you there (Agile Ottawa).<br /><br />Regards,<br />JoeJoe Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13413810050491070483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-47097554295935770602011-03-12T09:11:18.571-05:002011-03-12T09:11:18.571-05:00The thing about history is that it helps to answer...The thing about history is that it helps to answer the other questions (What works? What can we adopt now? How do we improve?). And hopefully prevents us from repeating past mistakes.<br /><br />Good article, though. Thanks for posting it. Wish I could have made it to the meeting. Sounds like it has some very interesting and thought-provoking discussion.Ernest Ruppenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10196825201624399348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-88513114635769249792011-03-11T00:41:35.597-05:002011-03-11T00:41:35.597-05:00Hi Dave,
Yes, sorry. Did not mean to imply negat...Hi Dave,<br /><br />Yes, sorry. Did not mean to imply negatively that you were into history.<br /><br />And for the record, I am slightly concerned that my post was too negative about others' comments at the meeting: I did not hear everyone else's (and certainly not your) comments as negative about Release Planning. But I was left concerned that that gentleman did not hear really hear positive things associating Release Planning and Scrum. (Maybe I was wrong, I hope, for him.) <br /><br />I know lots of people who talk about Release Planning (eg, Jeff Sutherland). But, yes, it appears we need more of it. And, for those interested in Scrum, the words should be linked to Scrum.<br /><br />As I tried to say in the post, there are definitely some potential bad ideas or practices associated with up-front planning...but that does not mean "don't do it at all." Which is obvious to you.<br /><br />Anyway, thanks, and good night.<br />Regards,<br />JoeJoe Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13413810050491070483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-27715798698601391292011-03-10T13:19:43.714-05:002011-03-10T13:19:43.714-05:00re: Not concerned with history - Neither am I, exc...re: Not concerned with history - Neither am I, except that Agile == Scrum for most people who are currently just learning it. If the Scrum Guide is where they start, they could get the same impression as the gentleman at Agile Ottawa - you don't do any up front planning. You & I both know that isn't the case, but someone who doesn't have 7+ years in the "Agile world" may not know that.<br /><br />Interestingly, a somewhat similar message popped up on the Scrum Development group today about how to cost out a project up-front in order to get approval if you're using story points to measure things.<br /><br />There seems to be a definite need for that sort of information to make it to those who are new to Agile.Dave Rooneyhttp://www.westborosystems.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-87656173212598612962011-03-10T09:03:42.457-05:002011-03-10T09:03:42.457-05:00Hi Dave,
Not too concerned about history.
Scrum ...Hi Dave,<br /><br />Not too concerned about history.<br /><br />Scrum started before Kent Beck wrote his book, and in all the courses I have done with Jeff Sutherland, I never got the impression that Release Planning was 'added later.' <br /><br />I do want to say that everyone I know who teaches or coaches Scrum also supports XP for their teams. Or at least a strong move toward XP and its great engineering practices. <br /><br />Planning Poker as I understand it originated as 'wide-band delphi estimation' at the Rand Corporation many many years ago.<br /><br />But to me, the history does not matter. (Albeit interesting to us as coaches and trainers.) What works? What can we adopt now? How do we improve? These are the key questions.<br /><br />I think others (and I) would be interested in your take on the benefits and possible pitfalls of up-front estimation. And how to go about re-estimating. There is more to say about doing it, as you know. And about how different parts of the agile community now view it.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />JoeJoe Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13413810050491070483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-28675822515263166542011-03-10T08:51:58.384-05:002011-03-10T08:51:58.384-05:00Note: The second, removed post by Dave Rooney was ...Note: The second, removed post by Dave Rooney was a duplicate.Joe Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13413810050491070483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-64239430082288406962011-03-10T07:31:18.022-05:002011-03-10T07:31:18.022-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dave Rooneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934266695771206046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7930876570525471458.post-10399224351927706792011-03-10T07:30:51.975-05:002011-03-10T07:30:51.975-05:00It's interesting that Scrum seems to appeal mo...It's interesting that Scrum seems to appeal more to the project management and business folks, but XP explicitly deals with up-front release planning.<br /><br />Coming from that world, spending time prior to starting actual development work figuring out what a group is actually going to build seems quite natural to me.<br /><br />Perhaps, Joe, you may want to point out in your courses that Release Planning and indeed even Planning Poker originated in the XP world. ;)Dave Rooneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934266695771206046noreply@blogger.com